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Levi of Siluria's avatar

I'm going to earn myself a bad reputation as a Trump-deflator around here, but I have to argue that he is a kind of honey trap for intellectual passion. I appreciate that you're not cheerleading for him him, I'm just saying; his totem is well placed to attract the right sentiments, but there are a million reasons to keep clear. For me though, the one that stands out is the simple fact that he is crass. I think a worthy figure can be rude, offensive, ribald, whatever, but somehow not crass, not low. That crassness is a hook for the low, and I don't think that's just a sign of cunning pragmatism.

When I have a bit more time I'd like to get into the question of symbolism and performative acts.

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‘….a kind of victory lap for the Cabal, to as it were announce, “we control your banks, your politics, your media, and we worship evil.” But could all these theatrics serve some practical end? Could they influence, determine, the mass imaginal landscape?’

Re- the satanic shows they like to put on: Jeff Berwick said he refuses to watch them in their entirety, or at the point of live transmission, because he thinks there is some effect arising from the mass simultaneous participation, which he has no desire to be part of.

It has occurred to me -especially this latest one, which I haven’t watched at all btw, only glimpsing from the sidelines the furore it evoked, that they are ‘taking the piss’ – or to put it another way, they are deliberately parodying themselves, in order to press the buttons of the likes of us, and then fall about laughing at the spectacle of us getting all lathered up over it.

But of course you are right – this is a deliberate, calculated, manipulative alteration of human culture and human consciousness – operating at a partly subliminal level where those engaging with it don’t even realise what’s being done to them.

‘Why is Islam seemingly unaffected, as strong as ever, even in some grim English town? Why the fervour of Islam and the almost total eradication of Christianity?’

Great question – I mean your first one. Christians like to believe they’re being persecuted: it’s even in the Bible: ‘if you see the world hates you, know that it hated me first’ - but in fact I think as the meme has it, ‘no-one cares.’ Which ties into your other question – so clearly: no-one cares about Christianity , but someone – at least in the west – evidently cares very much about muslim religiosity…….why?.........

I used to have a friend who came to England from Pakistan at the age of 13, (in the 1970’s, when some war or other broke out over there) who told me that fanatically religious – or even just devout- muslims were far more common in England than in Pakistan, where the only women to walk around veiled were the ancient old grandmothers. From what she said (she was from Karachi) religiosity had by then degenerated to the same kind of lukewarm superficiality that you describe as having happened to Christianity. (she herself, a nominal muslim, was almost totally secular)

‘The Second World War was a war not merely between competing nations, but different realities;

……why Nazi Germany features so often in Hollywood films: politics aside, it just looks kino, it has a thrilling, operatic quality, a sense of being a different, grander (and often darker) reality.’

It's also weirdly comedic – all those Monty Python sketches in the 1970’s – [one of my favourites incidentally, ‘Hilter fur ein besseres Minehead’ – Hitler has changed his name after the war and has decided to go into local politics in Minehead – watch it, it’s hilarious] - evil characteristically operates under complete cover of darkness: cloaked in lies and deceit, either presenting itself as its opposite, as something pure, innocent or good, or else operating through patsys and MK-ultras and puppets and useful idiots, but on those rare occasions when it comes out as itself it is surprisingly clownish and ridiculous.

‘reality duel’ –I suspect you probably won’t agree with me at all on this, but I don’t think it’s a fair fight at all. I think we, the people, the masses, the slaves, have our perceptions manipulated from the shadows by an evil cabal, and for them it’s basically like taking candy from a baby -they seem to be able to get people to believe, and do, whatever they want them to, and in some instances I suspect that all they want from it is shits and giggles - they are drunk on their own power and mastery of the human mind, they can’t get over how easy it is, how stupid we are, both in the kind of complete nonsense that we will fall for, and how we will stubbornly fail to see at all what is practically spitting at us in the face.

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